tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post5548608271003831827..comments2023-03-25T21:30:11.712+08:00Comments on My Black Bikini: BetrayalMaureenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10978319002478511193noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post-19660927064316931172010-05-19T13:54:13.052+08:002010-05-19T13:54:13.052+08:00Hi anonymous with a dad who has useful info... I t...Hi anonymous with a dad who has useful info... I think I just figured out who you might be :)<br /><br /> Interesting word choice for a polygamist relationship. "One true love". So what about Joseph then, he never had "one true love" at least I hope he never said that to any of his wives! ...And the women that Joseph married who were already married, their husbands "One true love" was on time-share.Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10978319002478511193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post-19202607209924017922010-05-13T10:01:14.490+08:002010-05-13T10:01:14.490+08:00My dad just told me about a first hand account rec...My dad just told me about a first hand account recently published by Eliza R. Snow that Joseph was her one true love...<br /><br />I kind of think that JS was really charismatic and wooed the women really well and if they hesitated at first then he threw in the God and salvation and stuff. He was probably a fair lover and the women soon felt they were somewhat important and there you go...even though they were pretty lonely since they didn't have him all the time. I mean when he's THE PROPHET...they were probably tickled pink about it...sounds a lot like many of the polygamist cult leaders today. shudderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post-60282153978633024232010-05-11T15:55:00.052+08:002010-05-11T15:55:00.052+08:00I really need to read 'In Sacred Loneliness...I really need to read 'In Sacred Loneliness', I just got to a point of saturation a while back where I couldn't bear to read anymore about Mormon polygamy. I also need to re-read 'Mormon Enigma' and pay attention to the first hand accounts there.Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10978319002478511193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post-61578542630485514072010-05-09T21:44:44.086+08:002010-05-09T21:44:44.086+08:00A lot of them left first hand accounts, sometimes ...A lot of them left first hand accounts, sometimes diary entries, describing their reactions.Cavalcantihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05618450927470168026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post-31221856220551174272010-05-09T20:15:23.951+08:002010-05-09T20:15:23.951+08:00There are many questions that I have as far as att...There are many questions that I have as far as attraction goes. Was Joseph an attractive, charismatic man who woo'd women and made them feel special, for a moment or two.. here and there.. or, were the women/girls conflicted by their own feelings or lack of feelings towards him but felt they had to comply due to family pressure, not to mention pressure from god?Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10978319002478511193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post-76879374287256339082010-05-08T20:44:35.887+08:002010-05-08T20:44:35.887+08:00Bikini Guru here.
I grew up in the church and cert...Bikini Guru here.<br />I grew up in the church and certainly Eliza R. Snow was a revered figure. And no, I never had any idea of the duplicity she had been involved in. I think she probably was a very good woman who was very conflicted at being told by a "prophet" that she should have sex with another woman's husband, and lie about it. I can only imagine the horror of being in that situation. One never tends to think about it, but were these women even attracted to JS? How much of this was under sufference, and trying to love him and do the right thing because it was what god wanted? This is emotional manipulation at it's best...and worst.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post-57861132160159074852010-05-08T17:54:57.733+08:002010-05-08T17:54:57.733+08:00I heard quite a bit about Eliza in YW and RS. I th...I heard quite a bit about Eliza in YW and RS. I think that she was supposed to be a hero for us. <br /><br />I hope that what I write would be acceptable to Emma, especially since she is one of my main subjects. I do feel some sympathy for the 'villains' in my pieces, like Joseph and Eliza but my main drive I suppose is feeling that I want to somehow give Emma a bit of a voice here. In her day women did not have as many choices. I would like to spend some of my lovely 'spare time' writing for her. I wish she were here to help with the details!Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10978319002478511193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post-77675897418942410652010-05-08T17:35:26.226+08:002010-05-08T17:35:26.226+08:00I never really heard much mentioned about Eliza R ...I never really heard much mentioned about Eliza R Snow. I'd read about her, but I don't recall hearing much specific about her on Sundays.<br />Emma is certainly an interesting character though. I wonder what comments she would leave here if she was alive to read your blog?Cavalcantihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05618450927470168026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post-32989691764515322902010-05-08T16:53:44.564+08:002010-05-08T16:53:44.564+08:00To be honest with you I have not spent that much t...To be honest with you I have not spent that much time in Relief Society, most of my callings were in Primary or Young Women's. I did however witness discussions (in class situations) of Emma being a strong woman but these compliments always seemed to be overshadowed by comments about her having gone 'wrong' toward the end of her life. <br /><br />I actually would attribute some female jealousy to these discussions. It seems to be a sad reality that women like to tear each other down and can actually do more damage to each others reputations than the men would ever dare to do. <br /><br />Overall, I don't remember hearing much about Emma. That fact in itself was and is disturbing to me. Having now read much more about her life than I ever learned at church I am even more disappointed at the lack of honour Mormons give to her. She really was remarkable and gave so much of herself for the church. <br /><br />I feel sick thinking about the honoured status given to Eliza R. Snow. I'm willing to bet you that a good 75% of the adult membership do not even realise that she was married to Joseph while he was alive. Not to mention the awful secrecy and betrayal surrounding the marriage.Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10978319002478511193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post-7972924551886372762010-05-08T16:09:19.045+08:002010-05-08T16:09:19.045+08:00Hey Maureen, would you characterise the Church'...Hey Maureen, would you characterise the Church's current depiction of Emma as net positive? I imagine she probably got discussed more in Relief Society than in EQ, but my experience has been that she was most often talked about in favourable terms.Cavalcantihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05618450927470168026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post-54033798003623160242010-05-07T10:27:13.452+08:002010-05-07T10:27:13.452+08:00Do I detect some sexual innuendo in your last sent...Do I detect some sexual innuendo in your last sentence or have I just been living with your sexual innuendos for too long!?Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10978319002478511193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3572095228809360173.post-2379230703192472592010-05-07T10:23:03.832+08:002010-05-07T10:23:03.832+08:00FIRST! YES!
The evidence (circumstancial, anecdot...FIRST! YES! <br />The evidence (circumstancial, anecdotal, actual, whatever), is certainly stacked against Ol' Joe. What gets me is the sheer magnitude of the deception and the close proximity of the infidelities. And the deception continues still. <br />Come, come, ye saints.mack samahahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02339499528022288192noreply@blogger.com